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Paper: Going Along to Get Along: Female Sexual Submission in Urban China

Zhong Guo: Middle Kingdom

I found this to be most fascinating:

Going Along to Get Along: Female Sexual Submission in Urban China

By William L. Parish, Shirley Yee, and Edward O. Laumann
University of Chicago.

The paper attempts to explore sexual fulfillment, ability to initiate sex, with frequency and levels of compliance of unwanted sex with social factors such as education, wage, geographic location, personal feelings towards sex, and prostitution in the area all in the context of urban China.

The findings include: (nothing too surprising)

Socially liberal women who are educated, with earnings most equal to their husbands, have committed partners who are responsive to their emotional needs expresses most sexual satisfaction, and least instances of complying to unwanted sex but have sex more frequently.

Women who are away from their families, is not financially self sufficient, conservative, and lives in areas where there is a high instance of prostitution among men (over 20%) are more likely to comply with unwanted sex although the frequency varies dependent on each individual case issue but over all will report disatisfaction.

And people say women are hard to understand. Be nice, pay attention, treat her as an equal and give us oppotunities towards education, and everything will be just fine... what is so hard to comprehend?

Comments

Andrew Jones

i think the problem runs a bit deeper. how do u get mainland chinese men to even respect women to begin with when their sorrounded by booth girls, nanjing road hoes, and an assortment of secretaries in dasiy dukes even american girls would blush at it. the other day i read china has communism with "chinese aspects" that apparently means girls sitting next to you at Karoake Bars, last time I was in Shanghai a whore house literally tried to carry me inside their establishment over by the shanghai railway station.

peace,
A

Glutterbug

>how do u get mainland chinese men to even respect women?

We teach our sons well. Demand better from ourselves, our friends and our partners maybe? It's for sure a good start.

yan

Dan tdaxp

Interesting that "treating women as equals" seems to involve treating them as children: Women can do and wear what they want, but if they attempt to earn money (prostitution) or dress (office clothes) in a way that is "impure" -- it is up to a man to teach her better morality!

Dan tdaxp

Interesting that "treating women as equals" seems to involve treating them as children: Women can do and wear what they want, but if they attempt to earn money (prostitution) or dress (office clothes) in a way that is "impure" -- it is up to a man to teach her better morality!

Glutterbug

Oh please. Which planet are you on? None of what you are saying has anything to do with equality. Why don't we try and give all the women who are poor and from little villages really good education and a damn good job and see how many of them "choose" to be prostitute.

And who the fuck is talking about office clothes, and having a man tell her she is impure? Who said her boss is a "man" anyway.

You're so full of it and not know a damn thing about "equality" you purport to be talking about. That's not equality, that's just plane old fashion sexist John talk.

Dan tdaxp

Why don't we try and give all the women who are poor and from little villages really good education and a damn good job and see how many of them "choose" to be prostitute.

... or work in McDonalds for that matter.

Heck, give me a "damn good" trust fund and see how long I "chose" to work for other people at all :)

And who the fuck is talking about office clothes

I was refering to: "an assortment of secretaries in dasiy dukes"

You're so full of it and not know a damn thing about "equality" you purport to be talking about. That's not equality, that's just plane old fashion sexist John talk.

What does my status as a john or not have to do with the validity of my arguments?

Argleblaster

Giving everyone (not just poor women from little villages) "a really good education" may be possible (but unlikely). However, I suspect employer attitudes have a lot more to do with getiing "a damn good job" than education alone.

Furthermore, job quality compared to education levels tends to be supply-driven: as the populace becomes more educated, qualification-requirements for the same job rise. Recent massive increases in the proportion of people gaining university degrees have affected Hong Kong, too - try getting a damn good job without at least a first degree (or, more likely, an MA) in HK these days.

Educating employers would have far greater effect on equality in the workplace. Not that education as an end in itself is ever a bad thing. Personally, I would like to see education and jobs decoupled entirely, with companies employing and training their staff. Then education would mean something better than the empty gathering of job-qualifications.

But then I'm a pipe-dreamer.

Dan tdaxp

I agree that traditional education systems can be brittle and inflexible. As Dr. Thomas Barnett wrote in Blueprint for Action," America (and other countires) need reeducation leaders who focus on continuing adult education for skills, and less on ineffective universities.

That said, in what way do you mean "Educating employers would have far greater effect on equality in the workplace."?

Rob

The reading of evolutionary psychology at the beginning of the article was way off beam which almost makes me doubt the usefulness of the study. The conclusions though are pretty straightforward and unsurprising. The points made above though are relevant. It's all very well taking a study like this in isolation but how does it relate back to the cultural norms and practices of contemporary Chinese society, for example Chinese women often control the finances of the family. There are also sharp delineations along income, class and education levels.

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I have to raise a comparison of this article, however flawed with the previous one on child abuse. This one attempts to make a reasoned argument, the previous one was a collection of facts that went nowhere.
I'm seriously worried that you can believe and circulate nonsense like that.

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